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		<title>By: Desperation in America &#171; Realm of the Hunter-Seeker</title>
		<link>http://blog.rebeltraders.net/2008/07/25/two-more-banks-have-failed/comment-page-1/#comment-5648</link>
		<dc:creator>Desperation in America &#171; Realm of the Hunter-Seeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I am no economist so for those who like to crunch numbers I suggest you click your way over to the Rebel Traders.Net where they have charts and numbers. When your done there check out the article at [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Polar</title>
		<link>http://blog.rebeltraders.net/2008/07/25/two-more-banks-have-failed/comment-page-1/#comment-5617</link>
		<dc:creator>Polar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strength, eh?  Contain the mistakes?  Right.  

In a way, I do agree with you to an extent, it does show the strength of the US, in that we still remain the reserve currency of the world, for now, and global growth, at least at the pace that most people consider to be &quot;normal,&quot; is based upon an ever more leveraged US consumer.  

That all being said, there is a point at which the rest of the world says &quot;no mas.&quot;  Now, I&#039;m not suggesting that day is today, in fact, I&#039;m of the opinion that the dollar should strengthen if this does turn out to be a prolonged recession (dollar smile theory).  When that day comes, US rates, treasuries, corporates, etc etc all dramatically increase.  That being said, that day will not come until the rest of the world economy is in a place that it can allow the US economy to become a much smaller cog in the global engine. 

In the end, it is the market that sets prices.  While our beloved government is taking drastic measures to stem the financial crisis, if you believe in any sort of efficient markets, you have to acknowledge that the market cannot be fooled and will see the eventual cost of the various swap arrangements, bank bail outs, etc etc.  

In the end, however, I think the truth is that all the drastic measures being put forth by the US government are more indications of how bad things have become and how much worse they will get, even WITH the bailouts.  The only sign of &quot;strength&quot; is the ability of the US to bail out its banking system without tanking its currency, while the rest of the world, by and large, cannot.  

While I&#039;m sure you will disagree with me Jim, I don&#039;t think there is anything wrong with recession in of itself.  Recessions serve an important structural purpose of reallocating resources to the most efficient use.  Honestly, the USA hasn&#039;t had a real, proper, recession since the early 90s.  All you need to do is take a look around at gas prices, food prices, the PPI, and you can see the effects of such a long time without a real wash out of the dead weight, which is finally beginning to happen now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strength, eh?  Contain the mistakes?  Right.  </p>
<p>In a way, I do agree with you to an extent, it does show the strength of the US, in that we still remain the reserve currency of the world, for now, and global growth, at least at the pace that most people consider to be &#8220;normal,&#8221; is based upon an ever more leveraged US consumer.  </p>
<p>That all being said, there is a point at which the rest of the world says &#8220;no mas.&#8221;  Now, I&#8217;m not suggesting that day is today, in fact, I&#8217;m of the opinion that the dollar should strengthen if this does turn out to be a prolonged recession (dollar smile theory).  When that day comes, US rates, treasuries, corporates, etc etc all dramatically increase.  That being said, that day will not come until the rest of the world economy is in a place that it can allow the US economy to become a much smaller cog in the global engine. </p>
<p>In the end, it is the market that sets prices.  While our beloved government is taking drastic measures to stem the financial crisis, if you believe in any sort of efficient markets, you have to acknowledge that the market cannot be fooled and will see the eventual cost of the various swap arrangements, bank bail outs, etc etc.  </p>
<p>In the end, however, I think the truth is that all the drastic measures being put forth by the US government are more indications of how bad things have become and how much worse they will get, even WITH the bailouts.  The only sign of &#8220;strength&#8221; is the ability of the US to bail out its banking system without tanking its currency, while the rest of the world, by and large, cannot.  </p>
<p>While I&#8217;m sure you will disagree with me Jim, I don&#8217;t think there is anything wrong with recession in of itself.  Recessions serve an important structural purpose of reallocating resources to the most efficient use.  Honestly, the USA hasn&#8217;t had a real, proper, recession since the early 90s.  All you need to do is take a look around at gas prices, food prices, the PPI, and you can see the effects of such a long time without a real wash out of the dead weight, which is finally beginning to happen now.</p>
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		<title>By: ecklebob</title>
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		<dc:creator>ecklebob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fail to understand how the shift to privatized profit and shared losses benefit a capitalist market system and the people of out country. &quot;Risk/reward&quot; is on the verge of becoming an oxymoron as Govt. moves to ensure that the interests of the banks WILL supercede the interests of the American citizen. Polls show that 80% af American voters are against the Housing bailout bill. Politicians cross their constituents at their own risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fail to understand how the shift to privatized profit and shared losses benefit a capitalist market system and the people of out country. &#8220;Risk/reward&#8221; is on the verge of becoming an oxymoron as Govt. moves to ensure that the interests of the banks WILL supercede the interests of the American citizen. Polls show that 80% af American voters are against the Housing bailout bill. Politicians cross their constituents at their own risk.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, dear, with all due respect, you are advocating socialism.  Please re-read what you have written, and roll it around a little longer.  Feel free to email me at any time to discuss this further.  I appreciate your posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, dear, with all due respect, you are advocating socialism.  Please re-read what you have written, and roll it around a little longer.  Feel free to email me at any time to discuss this further.  I appreciate your posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These bailouts are a sign of USA&#039;s strength, not weakness.

No other country in the world could bailout its banking system with borrowed money that will be repaid with a ever depreciating currency.

Yes, our lenders don&#039;t like it and many of us don&#039;t like it, but we have no choice.   The alternative is an economic depression and political instability.

If all new lending is fully collaterized under tight lending standards, then the $Trillion of bad loans will be lost in the rounding over the next decade.

These steps taken by the SEC/FED/White House/Congress are massive bold actions that will contain the mistakes made in 2004-2005.   

Do you want inaction, a collasping equity market and another 30&#039;s style depression lasting 10-20 years????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These bailouts are a sign of USA&#8217;s strength, not weakness.</p>
<p>No other country in the world could bailout its banking system with borrowed money that will be repaid with a ever depreciating currency.</p>
<p>Yes, our lenders don&#8217;t like it and many of us don&#8217;t like it, but we have no choice.   The alternative is an economic depression and political instability.</p>
<p>If all new lending is fully collaterized under tight lending standards, then the $Trillion of bad loans will be lost in the rounding over the next decade.</p>
<p>These steps taken by the SEC/FED/White House/Congress are massive bold actions that will contain the mistakes made in 2004-2005.   </p>
<p>Do you want inaction, a collasping equity market and another 30&#8217;s style depression lasting 10-20 years????</p>
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		<title>By: Polar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Polar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the time being, glad I didn&#039;t buy some speculative calls on financials.  That all being said, while I agree that banks and homebuilder equities have further to fall, I wonder if the best risk to reward short areas are now firmly in retail, commercial real estate, Tempted to get short commodity producers, but wonder if that trade is too far off to put on yet.  Any thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the time being, glad I didn&#8217;t buy some speculative calls on financials.  That all being said, while I agree that banks and homebuilder equities have further to fall, I wonder if the best risk to reward short areas are now firmly in retail, commercial real estate, Tempted to get short commodity producers, but wonder if that trade is too far off to put on yet.  Any thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: ecklebob</title>
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		<dc:creator>ecklebob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question: Why is Barney Frank so outraged that it will take months to implement the Housing bailout bill? Answer: Here are his 20 top campaign contributors since 1989. (Source:opensecrets.org)  
JPMorgan Chase &amp; Co  $69,500 
American Bankers Assn  $68,150 
National Assn of Realtors  $65,042 
Human Rights Campaign  $50,275 
Laborers Union  $49,750 
American Fedn of St/Cnty/Munic Employees $49,000 
UBS AG  $47,850 
American Assn for Justice  $46,500 
Securities Industry &amp; Financial Mkt Assn $40,996 
American Institute of CPAs  $39,859 
Credit Union National Assn  $39,000 
National Assn of Home Builders  $38,000 
Teamsters Union  $37,500 
United Food &amp; Commercial Workers Union  $36,948 
Bank of America  $35,000 
Brown Brothers Harriman &amp; Co  $33,300 
Mortgage Bankers Assn  $33,000 
Carpenters &amp; Joiners Union  $32,000 
National Assn of Letter Carriers  $32,000 
Machinists/Aerospace Workers Union  $31,000</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question: Why is Barney Frank so outraged that it will take months to implement the Housing bailout bill? Answer: Here are his 20 top campaign contributors since 1989. (Source:opensecrets.org)<br />
JPMorgan Chase &amp; Co  $69,500<br />
American Bankers Assn  $68,150<br />
National Assn of Realtors  $65,042<br />
Human Rights Campaign  $50,275<br />
Laborers Union  $49,750<br />
American Fedn of St/Cnty/Munic Employees $49,000<br />
UBS AG  $47,850<br />
American Assn for Justice  $46,500<br />
Securities Industry &amp; Financial Mkt Assn $40,996<br />
American Institute of CPAs  $39,859<br />
Credit Union National Assn  $39,000<br />
National Assn of Home Builders  $38,000<br />
Teamsters Union  $37,500<br />
United Food &amp; Commercial Workers Union  $36,948<br />
Bank of America  $35,000<br />
Brown Brothers Harriman &amp; Co  $33,300<br />
Mortgage Bankers Assn  $33,000<br />
Carpenters &amp; Joiners Union  $32,000<br />
National Assn of Letter Carriers  $32,000<br />
Machinists/Aerospace Workers Union  $31,000</p>
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		<title>By: ecklebob</title>
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		<dc:creator>ecklebob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FOXY LADY: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,391544,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FOXY LADY: <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,391544,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,391544,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: ecklebob</title>
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		<dc:creator>ecklebob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even the Commies don&#039;t want our banks as comrades anymore.  http://www.cnbc.com/id/25869463/for/cnbc/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even the Commies don&#8217;t want our banks as comrades anymore.  <a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/25869463/for/cnbc/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnbc.com/id/25869463/for/cnbc/</a></p>
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		<title>By: gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without reading the bill, they passed it, even with some questionable last-minute stealth provisions, like some change in the IRS tax code to benefit Art Colonies development(C-SPAN said someone from their foundation is a director on Fannie/Freddie&#039;s board) Please tell us how much in taxes paid will be REFUNDED in any 4-YEAR carry-back provision for homebuilders &amp; mortgage companies! How much will this add to the deficit, refunding taxes they paid for all of 2 boom years?(if it&#039;s in there) TIA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without reading the bill, they passed it, even with some questionable last-minute stealth provisions, like some change in the IRS tax code to benefit Art Colonies development(C-SPAN said someone from their foundation is a director on Fannie/Freddie&#8217;s board) Please tell us how much in taxes paid will be REFUNDED in any 4-YEAR carry-back provision for homebuilders &amp; mortgage companies! How much will this add to the deficit, refunding taxes they paid for all of 2 boom years?(if it&#8217;s in there) TIA.</p>
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